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I found it
envisage verb [T] (US ALSO envision) SLIGHTLY FORMAL
Please answer the below question, too. Thanks.
Is the expression I used before totally wrong?
I remember to have paid the telephone bill |
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| #18 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 14:13 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Hi Attila
| Quote: | Is the expression I used before totally wrong?
I remember to have paid the telephone bill |
Yes, that sentence would always be incorrect.
But, as Alan mentioned, using "having paid" or "paying" would be OK in the sentence.
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| #19 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 17:24 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Dear Mister Micawber
It is an interesting point. 
You know every night I lie down to sleep I ask myself if I closed/ locked the door...and almost always I fail to remember;I go back and double check. Such a bad memory! SO really I forget locking the door.
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| #20 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 18:11 pm Forget |
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Hi Tom,
I'm afraid in your sentence your use of doesn't really work.
You wrote:
| Quote: | | You know every night I lie down to sleep I ask myself if I closed/ locked the door...and almost always I fail to remember;I go back and double check. Such a bad memory! SO really I forget locking the door. |
For the use to make sense you would have to write:
Such a bad memory! So really I forget whether I've locked the door.
I would say a possible use of forget + ing would be as follows:
I shall never forget flying for the first time. (often used in negative sentences)
or perhaps with the imperative:
Forget slimming - forget losing weight and just enjoy your food. That gives the idea of forget about in the sense of not worry about.
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| #21 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 21:12 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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| attila wrote: | You wrote this, too
Does it help you envision the difference clearly?
It's the word "envision". I searched for this in two dictionaries without success and what's more I can't find it in the Cambridge Online dictionary. |
You can find it in that dictionary under the word 'envisage'. The term 'envision' tends to be used in American English (maybe because 'envisage' is a bit formal ?). As Pamela explained, it means 'to foresee, to plan something which may take place': I envisage a further increase in the cost of living; no changes are envisaged for the next twelve months. |
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| #22 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 22:10 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Hi Conchita
Don't forget that Pamela also came up with "imagine".
Envision works in your sentences, too. Companies like that word a lot. Especially American ones. 
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| #23 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 23:43 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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| Yankee wrote: | Hi Conchita
Don't forget that Pamela also came up with "imagine".
Envision works in your sentences, too. Companies like that word a lot. Especially American ones.
Amy |
Here's yet another clear and pathetic example of my absent-mindedness: I had missed the whole second page of the thread! As a result, my previous post is rather incongruous, of course (to say the least).
I blame it all on the heat these days, but deep down (and not so deep down) I know there's more to it than that! |
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| #24 (permalink) Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:53 am "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Hi Conchita
That's happened to me, too. I've clicked on a topic, thinking I would end up on the latest page, but end up on the first. That doesn't happen all the time, only sometimes. And I have no idea why. It's strange.
It's hot here, too, but I assume not nearly as hot as in Spain. And the humidity is also a little higher than usual. Compared to where I grew up, though, the current "heatwave" is pretty tame. Thank goodness! How hot is it in your neck of the woods at the moment?
I was really surprised that Attila couldn't find envision in dictionaries. That word is quite commonly used in American English. I wasn't aware that it isn't common in the UK. Now I'm wondering whether the Aussies use it at all....
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| #25 (permalink) Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:56 am "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Hi,
Don't forget to close the door.
The door was already open.so we use this verb close.
Don't forget to closing the door.
The second one is Unusal. |
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| #26 (permalink) Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:58 am Back to the drawing board... |
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| swami wrote: | Don't forget to closing the door.
The second one is Unusal. |
Hi swami
"Dont forget to closing the door" is not unusual, it's wrong. 
"Don't forget closing the door" was the unusual one.
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| #27 (permalink) Wed Sep 02, 2009 17:05 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Hi,
I forgot to close the door -- the door is still open; I failed to close it
I forgot closing the door -- The door is closed. I closed it, but then I forgot that I did that.
What about
I forgot to buy the cookbook -- I forgot to buy the cookbook and its over. (past tense)
I forgot buying the cookbook -- I bought the cookbook but but then I forgot that I did that (now). (present tense) ?
just want to make sure i get it right.
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| #28 (permalink) Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:14 am "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Good Morning Alan.
Your illustration really works for me. I dont wish to bother you but if you could make me understand the use of "to close and closing"
via grammatical structure so that I could posses utter command on this topic and could feel comfortable to form sentences by using various action verbs. Please define this topic fully for me and for my other friends.
I would highly be thankful to you.
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