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Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true'



 
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Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:08 am  Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true'
 

Hi

'I demanded of her immediately whether it was not true that… <some fact that was supposed to have taken place (?? or which verb form should be used here??) some time ago>'

Could you say how the meaning of the question would change if we (I Smile) removed not? (…whether it was true that…)

(In my view, the general meaning would be practically the same (because of 'whether') and only the inversion in "her" potential answer ('Yes/No' vs 'No/Yes') could be caused by that.

But the emphasis made (in the question itself) seems to be quite different –
help me, please, to understand it better.
(I have never (thank you, Amy) used not in 'whether-' clause.)
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Hi Tamara,

I would rewrite:

Quote:
I demanded of her immediately whether it was not true that…

to

I demanded to know from her immediately whether it was true or not ...

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Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:24 am  Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true'
 

Alan, that's A.Christie...

OK. I understand the point.
Thank you.
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Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:27 am  Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true'
 

Hi Tamara

Before I give you my opinion about a possible difference in meaning, let me ask you what difference you see (feel) between the two "direct speech" examples I've written: Wink

1. Direct speech: "Is it not true that it happened?"
2. Indirect speech: I asked her whether it was not true that it had happened.

1a. Direct speech: "Did it happen?"
2a. Indirect speech: I asked her whether it had happened.

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Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:40 am  Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true'
 

Yes, Amy, that’s the point. Thank you.

In your second case (and Alan's one) I am/was just interested to know (from a witness) whether the fact itself has/had taken place. Or not Smile

In the first your case I have/had a definite own version (suspicion, evidence, opinion, etc.) and is/was just seeking for it's (complete) validation. (But am quite sure in it.)

Right?
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Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:33 am  Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true'
 

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Perfect! In the first case the speaker is likely asking for verification of what he/she already believes to be true.

Go to the head of the class, Tamara.
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