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#2 (permalink) Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:53 am To didn't versus to wouldn't |
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. I agree, Monica. Perhaps the test writers consider didn't use to have to too casual; the more formal form is used not to have to. . _________________ Canadian-American native speaker who teaches English for a living at Mister Micawber's ESL cafe: Interview with Mr. Micawber |
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#3 (permalink) Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:45 am My opinion |
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Hi monica I think that the only really good answer, or at least the best answer, is "....didn't have to wear....". I don't like "....didn't use to have to wear....'' because I agree that it sounds bad and "use to" are useless words, adding nothing of value. I say this even though I know that some experts say that using "didn't use to...." is correct grammar. Let's look at another example. 'When I was in high school, our teachers didn't use to make us do a lot of homework.' I think it is much better and simpler just to say 'When I was in high school, our teachers didn't make us do a lot of homework.'
I think that ".....wouldn't have to wear....." is acceptable but ".....didn't have to wear..." is better when we are talking about the past.
I don't like "used not to have to"; "didn't have to" is again simpler and better. |
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#4 (permalink) Sat Oct 21, 2006 7:58 am Construction |
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Hi Monica,
Your sentence:
| Quote: | | Only poor women who couldn’t afford servants didn’t use to have to / wouldn’t have to /didn’t have to wear corsets |
Offers three possibilities:
didn't have to is straightforward indicating that the wearing of corsets was not necessary or required.
wouldn’t have to adds another dimension by suggesting that it wasn't usually necessary or required to wear corsets.
didn’t use to have to isn't so much incorrect as what you might call a bit of a dog's dinner and sounds clumsy because of the pile up of the active infinitives and the close proximity of the two prepositions 'to' It conveys the same idea of not usually required to do something. Perhaps this close proximity could be resolved by using another construction of obligation as in: didn't used to be obliged to/required to wear ...That said, didn't use to is widely used and accepted.
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#5 (permalink) Sun Oct 22, 2006 0:35 am Didn't use(d) to |
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To me, "didn't used to be obliged to wear" and "didn't used to be required to wear " are also clumsy and wordy phrases. I don't know why anyone would use those phrases when they can simply say "weren't obliged to wear" or "weren't required to wear".
Even though it was a private school, we weren't required to wear uniforms.
As far as I am aware, most experts say that the negative should be "didn't use to", not "didn't used to". Whichever one is correct, my opinion is that the sooner this clumsy and troublesome phrase is thrown into the garbage can the better off we all will be. |
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