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Hi Torsten, hi everyone else as well,
Regarding your first question: I use the player they have at the school. It plays MP3 even from CD-RW's. For the second question: yes, I finally got the book on Saturday and I find it quite useful because besides exam questions and model answers it contains answers from previous candidates and discussions of reasons that a particular answer received a particular mark. This takes me to something else: I've been told today that the exam they're supposed to take is not LCCI-Englishnfor Business but IHK geprüfter Femdsprachenkorrespondent which consists of a translation from English into German, another one from German into English, writing a business letter and a reply, a summary in German of something they are to twice, a business related conversation and a phone call, with instructions given in German for everything but the conversation task. A good deal of the topics I've covered so far are part of the section we are to study with them anyway. Frau Kaant said the topics to prepare had been divided into a section we are to do and another one they're to study with Mr v. John another trainer. Something I was told last week is that students should be tested regularly so that IFU could get an impression of their development. So I started with a test this morning: an exercise that had them explain some business terms, another one requiring the rewording of sentences and at last writng a memo. After breakfast I did listening exercises again and used last week's VOA report on Blu-ray vs HD-DVD. Then I divided the class into two groups and had each prepare a presentation one group holding the opinion that people will have a choice regarding these new standards and the other one holding the opinion that people won't. This turned out to be quite difficult and a bit disappointing. Since some of them still have problems with some aspects of grammar I did some exercises on the passive voice afterwards. At last we translated the first two paragraphs of a BBC report on the Detrit auto show http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7196931.stm and asked them to summarize the rest of it. I'm not sure whether they will have done this tomorrow but it's something you can ask them about, Ralf. I've neglected speaking practice a bit so it might be a good idea to intensify this. Here especially Christin and to a lesser extent Susan and the brown-haired Doreen need encouragement. That's it for now
Best Regards, Daniel |
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Daniel I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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Thu Jan 24, 2008 20:08 pm Current projects |
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Hi there,
Grimma went really well.
Here's what I did:
- word-memo game - students introduce their neighbours - pronunciation drill exercise - several aspects of present continuous, future tenses and simple present - general conversation skills (cultural dimension of "how are you" etc) - prepositions of place - giving directions - basic telephone and email skills
They're good people, looking forward to seeing them again.
Next week I'd like to watch "Cruel Intentions" with them. _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Ralf Language Coach

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Sat Jan 26, 2008 20:20 pm Current projects |
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Hi Ray,
Just a quick note to let you know the TOEIC test with the Nordhausen group will take place on Monday, February 4. I left some photocopies on the desk for you -- those are TOEIC reading materials you might want to go through with the group on Monday. We did a complete set of TOEIC listening comprehension questions on Thursday and Friday and it turned out that the group needs a lot of listening practice. Maybe you can use audio files from voanews.com next week or read business related articles to the group so they can practice their listening comprehension.
Please do the bike systems group next Wednesday again and I'll work with the BZ folks.
By the way, you can buy a Sachsenticket for 19 euros to get to Nordhausen. Thanks, Torsten _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:32 am Current projects |
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| Hans_Ulrich wrote: | | Hello Torsten, thank you for re-arranging my forum access; now I can write immediately in this box. Good luck. Have a great day. Best regards Uli |
Hi Uli,
The Halle group today and tomorrow consists of only 6 women since the rest of the group is preparing for their pharmaceutical exam. Today we reviewed the basics -- the alphabet, spelling words like 'car', 'dictionary', 'shop', 'job', etc. We also reviewed personal questions such as 'Where are you from?' etc. Tomorrow I suggest you introduce some basic retail sales vocabulary such as the different departments of a department store, payment methods, words like 'discount', 'sales price', 'special sale', 'coupon' etc. Please go slow, have the group ask you to spell words they don't know and try to stick to English. This means, they may ask you questions in German if they feel uncomfortable speaking English and you can answer them in English.
In addition, please review basic things such as the numbers, the weekdays, the months, greeting customers in a store, etc. You might want to bring some clothing items or any other items you can buy in a store and explain what the items are all about. Basically you should go through all the vocabulary you need if you are a customer in a department store. For example, if you visit the Walmart website, you will find a lot of words and phrases the describe typical items and products of a department store. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Torsten Learning Coach

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Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:30 pm Current projects |
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| Hi Torsten, many thanks for your good and very constructive advice for my tomorrow class WITH THE SIX KARSTADT LADIES. I SHALL CONCENTRATE in these fields for enabling these Ladies to cope with English speaking customers in their next department stores. Have a nice day. Best Regards, Uli |
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Hans_Ulrich I'm new here and I like it ;-)

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Mon Jan 28, 2008 19:11 pm Current projects |
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Hi Torsten,
In today's Jena course I concentrated on interview training the whole day. First I asked folks to think of their strengths. I introduced my mind-mapping concept to help them come up with adjectives describing themselves. Then I had them think of possible questions and answers in interview situations. After the break, we had role-play situations which went really well. Only Andreas had a blackout, and I don't think my efforts to console him came off all that well.
Anyway, all in all twas a good day for everyone.
Talk soon,
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Ralf Language Coach

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Mon Jan 28, 2008 21:09 pm Current projects |
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Hi Ralf,
Thanks a lot for your great work -- I look forward to sharing with you the next series of the "high potentials" sessions in Jena. The next round might start at some point during February and I'll send you an outline of the program I have in mind this time around.
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Torsten Learning Coach

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Mon Jan 28, 2008 23:54 pm Current projects |
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I have been recalcitrant in my responsibiltities, and I apologize. Everything is going well, I have been splitting the BZ group, with Torsten and that is going well. Working with the participants from Bike Systems is quite a challenge. They definietly do not go home at night and practice. Although I know that they do not see this class as anything more than a minor diversion, they all do seem to care about learning a bit of English for one reason or the other. I don't have high expectations, and try my best. I have resorted to going over basic vocabulary and plenty of spelling, to practice the alphabet. I need to occupy every second of the day with some type of activity, exercise or game. Once involved, the class is very goal orientated, and is willing to stay late into their (few) breaks to finish a puzzle.
I have taken Torsten's advice and began using VOA for listening training. After one article, the class as a whole announced the difficulty in understanding the lyrics. I then picked a couple more songs (Paul Simon's America, and Don McClean's American Pie) I figure that listening to music is good excercise, and that listening to regular dialogue will be much easier in comparison.
On Tuesday we will focus on more one on one dialogues, and then some role playing. OK, that is all. I need to hight-tail it out of Avena and return to Pension Lapp. |
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Tue Jan 29, 2008 19:46 pm Current projects |
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Hi Ray,
First I'd like to offer my commiserations - NH is a dire place, but you may obligingly cast yourself on the devil's mercy since there is a light at the end of every dreary tunnel, however dim it may seem. I've been to NH many a time, and some of the best times I've ever had I experienced very shortly after leaving the place. Freedom feels so much better once you've left the nick 
| nomisyar wrote: | | They definietly do not go home at night and practice. |
Most learners find 8 units instruction in a foreign language hard to digest, so I usually refrain from giving homework assignments.
| nomisyar wrote: | | Although I know that they do not see this class as anything more than a minor diversion, they all do seem to care about learning a bit of English for one reason or the other. |
That's right. Dig into that. Ask them whether they feel like belonging to "those in the know", this prestigious league of foreign language hepcats.
| nomisyar wrote: | | I don't have high expectations, and try my best. I have resorted to going over basic vocabulary and plenty of spelling, to practice the alphabet. |
I know what you mean. It's difficult to see progress at times. But even when your students think they've made little progress, they're often not aware of all the new words, phrases, structures and grammatical knowhow they've acquired. Two steps forward are usually followed by one step back.
| nomisyar wrote: | | I need to occupy every second of the day with some type of activity, exercise or game. |
I imagine that you show a lot of commitment and dedication to your work, but you seem to demand a great deal of yourself. Having people work in pairs or small groups takes some weight of your shoulders, and there is always room to have your students discuss topics (even if they are not related to your core theme) as long as they stick to English.
| nomisyar wrote: | I figure that listening to music is good excercise, and that listening to regular dialogue will be much easier in comparison.
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I love discussing lyrics. I often take one song and have my students translate, analyse, rephrase and contextualise songs. I can remember using "Norwegian Wood" by The Beatles for a 4 unit-filling seesion.
Good luck to ya and enjoy the merits of civilisation once you're out  _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Ralf Language Coach

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Tue Jan 29, 2008 19:58 pm Current projects |
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Hi Torsten, today our Halle group class with the Karstadt Ladies went excellently. We followed your kind advice and concentrated on some basic retail sales vocabulary such as the different departments of a department store, payment methods, words like 'discount', 'sales price', 'special sale', 'coupon',”we are on sale”, “cash payment”, credit card payment, whole sale and retail sale , export & import etc. such as the ordinary and cardinal numbers, in addition, we have reviewed basic things like the weekdays, the months, the seasons of the year, welcoming resp. greeting the customers in our department store, etc.
The Ladies are very interested to express their ideas as simple as possible and we have managed to do so. Tomorrow and after tomorrow we shall continue in the same cooperative atmosphere.
Have a nice day. Best regards to Slava. Now I can enter the forum without any delay. Thank you. Uli |
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 19:35 pm Hi there |
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Most of the morning with today's Grimma class was dedicated to reviewing the test they had written last week. I gave them a detailed feedback and explained how I got to their marks. We discussed some aspects of the current situation in the US before I had them summarize the latest VOA report on the economic stimulus package. After noon we practised writing letters of enquiry and making appointments on the phone. Ralf, they're really excited about listening to songs tomorrow. Since IFU would like them to be tested every 40 hours you might want to figure out a test of some oral task that has already been covered.
Regards, Daniel |
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 19:23 pm Current projects |
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Hallo Torsten, BZ Halle today went excellently with selling, marketing, and controlling vocabulary. Now the Karstadt Ladies have a one week holiday interruption. Best regards from Mrs. Arlt , Mrs. Simt and Doreen. Our next BZ Halle date will be in April this year . Tomorrow I shall be with the BZ Nordhausen Schachtbau group in preparation for your test next Monday. I shall read some texts about the credit crunch crisis, subprime mortgage contradiction etc.pp. Regards Uli |
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Hi Daniel,
Thanks for your update. Next week I'll have to take the train to Grimma; what trains do you usually take and what ticket(s) do you suggest to buy?
Our class today was a breeze. In the morning, everyone presented a song and we discussed its lyrics. I had the feeling that this was quite a useful exercise to learn new vocab and phrases. In the afternoon, we watched The Green Mile. Nice and easy.
As for the oral test, I'll think of something. Thanks for letting me know. _________________ Test of English as a Foreign Language TOEFL Preparation & TOEFL Vocabulary Learn more: How to Become an English Teacher |
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Ralf Language Coach

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Thu Jan 31, 2008 21:44 pm Current projects |
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Hi Ralf,
Thanks a lot for keeping us posted -- it's great that you and Daniel are exchanging all this information because this will give the group a feeling of importance and achievement. Did you discuss "The Green Mile" after watching it, Ralf? Maybe you, Daniel can refer to the movie next week and take a closer look at some of the vocabulary as well as talk about the story itself. I think using lyrics, songs and movies is very good as it gives the group an idea how they can learn English outside the classroom. It also helps raise their level of self-confidence as they see that they can understand authentic materials.
Speaking of self-confidence, since this is a prep course for the "Fremdsprachenkorrespondent/IHK" exam, please help them prepare for that exam. You can use materials like "Yours faithfully" or "How to pass LCCI". I'm not sure if there are any prep materials for the "Fremdsprachenkorrespondent/IHK" but any business correspondence exercises will be good training. Please create business letters with them and have them translate different types of business documents. Yes, IFU does want us to give the students a test on a regular basis and I suggest you use TOEIC prep materials for that purpose since they are very transparent and easy to evaluate.
Let me know what you think. Regards, Tosten _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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