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| Quote: | | We were using our lesser enemy to disable our more dangerous enemy. |
Lesser enemy for whom? More dangerous for whom? |
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Molly
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| Wed May 14, 2008 20:30 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Molly wrote: | | Quote: | | We were using our lesser enemy to disable our more dangerous enemy. |
Lesser enemy for whom? More dangerous for whom? |
For us, for Israel and for the other countries, particularly in Europe, where Iran was sponsoring jihadist bombings and bloodbaths. |
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Jamie (K)
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| Wed May 14, 2008 20:31 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Quote: | | The world didn't have any trouble with Iranian-sponsored terrorism when the Shah was in power, but when Jimmy Carter told him to step down and make way for the Ayatollah Khomeini, not only did the world get terrorism financed by Iranian oil, but Iranian citizens continued to be tortured, |
So, better to be tortured by a Shah than an Ayatollah, right? Go SAVAK!
Remember Mohammed Massadegh, Jamie?
BTW, does your "the world", above, include pre-Iranian Revolution Iranians living in Iran?
| Quote: | | The father was an iron-fisted dictator, but not a totalitarian. The son was more liberal, |
Which son? Surely you don't mean Anastasio Jr?  
| Quote: | | Priests tried to stay safe by not discussing politics from the pulpit, but even saying nothing could get you arrested, in many cases. |
Sounds like the McCarthy years. |
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Molly
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| Wed May 14, 2008 21:58 pm Bush's job rating |
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Ms Molly ... I see that "love" is in the air again.
 How much do you know about men ?
To impress a boy you don't need to attack him.
Are you some energetic vampir ? (Person who lives from confrontations to confrontations
just to be able to suck somebody's else vigour??)
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| Wed May 14, 2008 22:34 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Quote: | | It's easy to paint the US as a villain for supporting various bogie men if you don't bother to examine the behavior of the successors who overthrew them. |
Who overthrew Pinochet?
Who overthrew the Saudi royal family?
Who overthrew President Hosni Mubarak?
Who replaced Suharto?
And on...
Does America always need to abandon her democratic principles when needing to meet her short-term military and diplomatic needs? |
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Molly
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| Wed May 14, 2008 22:39 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Quote: | | To impress a boy you don't need to attack him. |
I have to be impressed by a boy before I begin trying to impress him. Get my drift? |
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Molly
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| Wed May 14, 2008 23:07 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Molly wrote: | | Who overthrew Pinochet? |
Nobody. He called for a referendum in 1988 on his remaining in power, and he lost with only 44.1% of the vote (a pretty good showing for such a bad buy; about the same percentage Bill Clinton got in both his elections). He stepped down from the presidency but remained commander in chief of the armed forces. This transition was done with the encouragement of Pope John Paul II, and I believe also with pressure from the US government, which rightly presses their goons to step down when their usefulness at quelling Marxism, Islamic radicalism, or whatever, is over.
| Molly wrote: | | Who overthrew the Saudi royal family? |
Nobody, but the Taliban are sure trying. From bad to worse, if they succeed.
| Molly wrote: | | Who overthrew President Hosni Mubarak? |
He's still president, but the Taliban are sure trying. From bad to worse, if they succeed.
| Molly wrote: | | Who replaced Suharto? |
His deputy Jusuf Habibie.
| Molly wrote: | | Does America always need to abandon her democratic principles when needing to meet her short-term military and diplomatic needs? |
Not always. We didn't abandon them when occupying Japan or Germany, and not in South Korea, not in Grenada, ultimately not in the Philippines, etc., etc., etc. |
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Jamie (K)
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| Wed May 14, 2008 23:20 pm Bush's job rating |
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He stepped down from the presidency but remained commander in chief of the armed forces. This transition was done with the encouragement of Pope John Paul II, and I believe also with pressure from the US government, which rightly presses their goons to step down when their usefulness at quelling Marxism, Islamic radicalism, or whatever, is over.
Your goon quelled all opposition. |
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Molly
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| Wed May 14, 2008 23:38 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Molly wrote: | | Your goon quelled all opposition. |
If our goon had quelled all opposition, then there wouldn't have been anyone to oppose him in elections, would there have! |
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| Wed May 14, 2008 23:47 pm Bush's job rating |
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| Quote: | | Not always. We didn't abandon them when occupying Japan or Germany, and not in South Korea, not in Grenada, ultimately not in the Philippines, etc., etc., etc. |
Japan? After it became a direct threat to the USA.
Grenada? After it became a direct threat to the USA.
The Philippines? "According to historian Gregorio Zaide, as many as 200,000 civilians died, largely because of famine and disease, by the end of the war. Atrocities were committed on both sides." http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/papa/philippines1899.htm
South Korea?
"South Korea
Human Rights Concerns
One of the most important human rights issue in South Korea continues to be the National Security Law, which is used arbitrarily to curtail the right to freedom of expression and association, providing long sentences or the dealth penalty for loosely defined ‘anti-state’ activities."
http://www.amnestyusa.org/other-countries/south-korea/page.do?id=1011239&n1=3&n2=30&n3=989 |
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Molly
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| Wed May 14, 2008 23:55 pm Bush's job rating |
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We have to remember that the internet is the home of good acting...
(Better than the Royal Shakespeare Company sometimes.)
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| Thu May 15, 2008 0:00 am Bush's job rating |
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| And South England looks like becoming the home of those who play children. |
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Molly
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| Thu May 15, 2008 1:05 am Bush's job rating |
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Hablen cartas...
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| Mon May 19, 2008 22:45 pm Bush's job rating |
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| How's G Bush better than Saddam Husein? |
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| Have you read Wilbur Smith? | The essay "English goes to America" was amazing |
