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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'


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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #16 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 18:14 pm   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
Molly wrote:
Jamie (K) wrote:
How can we tell that it's been lost from standard British English?

You simply look in the right dictionary.

Don't most of the right ones say "chiefly US"? That's not the same as "lost from standard British English", is it?[/quote]

wiktionary wrote:
past participle got, (North American or British archaic) gotten)

I don't have time to do all the digging for you. Generally when there's a grammatical difference of that sort, it's because the Americans have retained an older form that the British have not.
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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #17 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 18:16 pm   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
Molly wrote:
Not at all. Brits have "I've just/only now got your letter". See above.

They need to add the adverbs because they can't make the distinction with the participle.
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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #18 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 18:17 pm   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
Jamie (K) wrote:
They need to add the adverbs because they can't make the distinction with the participle.

That happens a lot in language use.
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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #19 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 18:26 pm   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
wiktionary wrote:
pastI don't have time to do all the digging for you. Generally when there's a grammatical difference of that sort, it's because the Americans have retained an older form that the British have not.

Sorry? It was you who made the assuption that gotten has disappeared from British English, wasn't it? And would you say that wiktionary could be classed as one of the right dictionaries?

BTW, this is from one of the "right" dictionaries. Is it true?

USAGE The form gotten is not used in British English but is very common in North American English, though even there it is often regarded as non-standard.

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/gotten?view=uk
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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #20 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 18:40 pm   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
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I'd assume that the people at OED were referring mainly to AmE usages such as "I have got to do that by the end of the week" and "I've got a secret".
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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #21 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 19:19 pm   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
Let's hope.
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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #22 (permalink) Sun May 11, 2008 22:05 pm   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
nessie wrote:
Excuse me but could you please give me some examples of that periphrasis, MrP? (I'm a non-native speaker and I really want to know more about this interesting difference between British English and American English Wink)

Many thanks in advance Smile

I can't think of one at the moment, Nessie; but if one occurs to me, I'll post it here.

Molly wrote:
...lost...

There may be remote areas of the British Isles where standard-speaking folk secretly gather by night and say "gotten" to one another, with the concomitant illicit linguistic thrill; but if so, the makers of documentaries have yet to expose their shocking practices.

Thus to all intents and purposes, "gotten" is indeed "lost" from standard BrE. (Or perhaps simply "temporarily mislaid".)

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Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?' #23 (permalink) Wed May 14, 2008 3:07 am   Do you guys ever say 'Have I really got to go?'		  
Thanks a lot, MrP. And please don't forget to post it here if it occurs to you sometimes. I'm really interested in differences between British English and American English Smile

Many thanks in advance
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