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Torsten Learning Coach

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#3 (permalink) Tue Sep 26, 2006 16:52 pm Difference between who and which |
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| Torsten wrote: | | Because photograph is a thing and not a person. |
Hello, May i ask a question, Can we use "that" here , cause you said : "Which is never a demonstrative and does not relete to specific things" And I think in this case the photograph is a specific thing, why dont we use "that"? Thank you regards |
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Baovan New Member
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#4 (permalink) Wed Sep 27, 2006 21:38 pm Difference between who and which |
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You may say: I'm looking at the photograph that you sent me with your letter. |
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Pamela I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#5 (permalink) Wed Sep 27, 2006 22:07 pm Difference between who and which |
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| Baovan wrote: | | Torsten wrote: | | Because photograph is a thing and not a person. |
Hello, May i ask a question, Can we use "that" here , cause you said : "Which is never a demonstrative and does not relete to specific things" And I think in this case the photograph is a specific thing, why dont we use "that"? Thank you regards |
Hi Baovan
The word "which" is a relative pronoun in the sentence. The word that can also used as a relative pronoun. The relative pronoun who can only be used to refer to a person.
The demonstrative pronouns are this, that, these and those.
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#6 (permalink) Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:27 am Difference between who and which |
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| Pamela wrote: | You may say: I'm looking at the photograph that you sent me with your letter. |
Thank you , so we can use "that", but clearly the photograph is a specific thing, but in the question 6, teacher said "Which is never a demonstrative and does not relete to specific things" . I dont know if I understood it correctly? does that mean which never refers to a specific thing, so why we use which when the photograph is specified? Thank you so much for your help and time. |
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Baovan New Member
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#7 (permalink) Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:07 am Difference between who and which |
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| Baovan wrote: | | Pamela wrote: | You may say: I'm looking at the photograph that you sent me with your letter. |
Thank you , so we can use "that", but clearly the photograph is a specific thing, but in the question 6, teacher said "Which is never a demonstrative and does not relete to specific things" . I dont know if I understood it correctly? does that mean which never refers to a specific thing, so why we use which when the photograph is specified? Thank you so much for your help and time. |
Hi Baovan, Yankee has given a perfect explanation. Which is not a demonstrative noun but relative. Here we train the usage of relative pronouns.
Relative pronouns are: who, whose, which, that, as.
I'm looking at the photograph that you sent me with your letter. By the way, that introduces attributive relative clause here.  |
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Pamela I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#8 (permalink) Thu Sep 28, 2006 8:11 am Difference between who and which |
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Hi Baovan
The relative pronoun which may refer to a specific thing or things.
As has been mentioned, which is not a demonstrative pronoun. So, which cannot be used to talk about a specific thing or things in the same way that a demonstrative pronoun can.
I myself would probably use which to introduce a non-defining relative clause rather than a defining relative clause. In this particular sentence, I probably would have used the relative pronoun that. However, the word that was not given as one of the choices.
I hope that answers your question.
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#9 (permalink) Thu Sep 28, 2006 9:21 am Difference between who and which |
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| Thank you Yankee and Pamela very much |
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Baovan New Member
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#10 (permalink) Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:03 pm Relative Pronouns |
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What's the time? (English Lesson Number 11) Relative Pronouns ESL test for elementary level students
Dear Torsten,
I greatly appreciate your lesson on Relative Pronouns--ESL test for elementary level students. In my first attempt, I managed to answer nine questions correctly out of the ten questions, and in my second attempt, I managed to answer all the questions correctly, though. Although I have answered all the questions correctly after I had read the explanations provided by English-test.Net, I’m still unsure about compulsory object-relative pronouns. In fact, I have posted my problem in the forum, English Vocabulary, Grammar and Idioms—Object Relative Pronouns on Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:54 am, but there isn’t any reply until today. I hope you can help me in resolving the problem soon.
Further, I’m not confident enough about when to use the defining-relative clause and non-defining relative clause for some sentences. I’m wondering whether to post more questions to the Grammar forum because nobody has responded to a few of my questions posted earlier after a length of time. Of course, I can understand your situation because of the large number of members in English-test.Net.
Finally, I would like to thank you for your patience with me and for giving your attention to reading this letter. I look forward to receiving your next lesson.
Best wishes, Bhikkhu1991a. |
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Bhikkhu1991a I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#11 (permalink) Fri Apr 03, 2009 13:17 pm Difference between who and which |
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Dear Torsten when we use which and whose? thinks for your patience with us |
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Zilanow New Member
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Torsten Learning Coach

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#13 (permalink) Fri Apr 03, 2009 14:25 pm Difference between who and which |
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Hi Zilanow,
'Which' is used to refer to things as in:
This is the book which I was talking about.
''Whose' is used to show possession as in:
Do you know whose book this is? (you are asking who the owner of the book is).
Alan _________________ English as a Second Language You can read my ESL story Make or Do? |
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