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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:30 pm  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
I agree. The natives tend to refer, say, Singaporean English or Hong Kong English to the term... Nay, whatever they think outside their Shangri-La. Even my poor Japanilish was once refered to: 'In future' it is. Had I been a Disneylander, I would have cried out then: C'moooon, gimmy a break! Very Happy

BTW, I have both Singaporean and Hong Kong friends and their English is unique and excellent.
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My two cents Mon Jun 02, 2008 13:00 pm  My two cents		  
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Nobody can stop you from using 'complicate' in the original sentence (i.e. in the other 'complicate' thread) if you are determined to do so. Whether that's the best word to use in that sentence is another question entirely.

I would suggest that the particular version of English (i.e. Australian, American, British, Nigerian, Indian, etc.) has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 'complicate' is the best choice of words in sweetpumpkin's original question.
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Mon Jun 02, 2008 18:22 pm  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
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Whether that's the best word to use in that sentence is another question entirely.

And often the answer is based on personal preference and need, isn't it?

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I would suggest that the particular version of English (i.e. Australian, American, British, Nigerian, Indian, etc.) has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 'complicate' is the best choice of words in sweetpumpkin's original question.

And how did you reach that conclusion? What research into those variants have you done?
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 0:57 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
Haihao wrote:
Alas! How lonely it is down here with this non-native duo!


Molly isn't non-native, Haihao.

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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:18 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
MrPedantic wrote:
Molly isn't non-native, Haihao.

MrP

Mr P, when you have the proof of such, post it here. Until then, save your cheap shots for your girl/boyfriends.
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:49 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
MrPedantic wrote:
Haihao wrote:
Alas! How lonely it is down here with this non-native duo!


Molly isn't non-native, Haihao.

MrP

Gotcha! Very Happy Again! Why do you make me say it again and again, dear MrP? Lemme say it just one more time but hopefully the last time: you overvalue my English knowledge. Why for the heaven's sake does a grown-ups' conversation need to make every word come down to a letter's level? You really disappointed me, again, MrP, and made me laugh. Smile
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:50 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
Molly wrote:
the proof of such

Si documentum requiris, circumspice.

Molly wrote:
cheap shots

A "cheap shot" to call a non-native a native speaker?

I don't think so.

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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:53 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
MrPedantic wrote:
Si documentum requiris, circumspice.

MrP

Are you on the edge of your wits, too?
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:07 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
Haihao wrote:
MrPedantic wrote:
Si documentum requiris, circumspice.

MrP

Are you on the edge of your wits, too?

Thank goodness you didn't say "wit". Mr P and wit do not go happily in hand. Also, Mr P and proof are not often bed partners.

He's been spouting that "Molly isn't non-native" all over the Internet for at least a year. He's never had the guts to post proof though. Lets' see if he comes up with it this time.
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:22 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
Molly wrote:
He's been spouting that "Molly isn't non-native" all over the Internet

Confused

Is it such a terrible thing, to be taken for a native speaker?

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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:34 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
I have to admit you are a good man, MrP. IMHO, the vulgar talk going on around here doesn't deserve your nobility. No kidding. Smile
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My two cents Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:18 am  My two cents		  
Yankee wrote:
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Nobody can stop you from using 'complicate' in the original sentence (i.e. in the other 'complicate' thread) if you are determined to do so. Whether that's the best word to use in that sentence is another question entirely.

I would suggest that the particular version of English (i.e. Australian, American, British, Nigerian, Indian, etc.) has nothing whatsoever to do with whether 'complicate' is the best choice of words in sweetpumpkin's original question.
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Hi Amy,

I am very happy to see your comment here. Smile With my sincerest respect for you, I'd like to give a few personal opinions concerning the matter if I may.

We do have restrictions with languages. We learn grammar etc in order to become a better master of it. However, that doesn't necessarily mean we should sit back into the niche of "best choice" to feel safe and comfortable. Language shouldn't become our ruler or master but we should. Language is no more than our tongue so do not ever make it our master. We should sometimes take the guts to go a step further to make an even better and richer English without killing any possibility conveniently. If Americans didn't have the guts to make a language of their own, you surely were never able to put the proudful line "native American English teacher" under every post you made.

Best regards,
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:10 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
Hi Haihao

I agree with you entirely that you should feel free to experiment with language. However, it is my firm belief that some experiments will be more successful and effective than others. Some experiments will be fun. Others will be creative and interesting. Some will flop miserably. It seems to me that you and Molly are frantically attempting to label typos as valid examples of usage. It is my opinion that this particular experiment with the word 'complicate' will end up as a flop and amounts to 'much ado about nothing'.

I have also posted again in the other 'complicated' thread. Naturally, you are free to ignore or disagree with my opinion.

Have a good day.
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:28 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
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Is it such a terrible thing, to be taken for a native speaker?

You seem to love being one, so...
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Collocating the adjective "complicate". Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:41 am  Collocating the adjective "complicate".		  
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the vulgar talk going on around here doesn't deserve your nobility.

Would you say Mr P is not participating in posting "vulgar" language.
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