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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to"



 
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #1 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 15:09 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

Hi,

Please have a look at these sentences:

- People don't seem to care much about their health.
- People seem not to care much about their health.

=> Are these two sentences both correct, and do they mean the same?

Thank you very much.
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #2 (permalink) Wed Jun 25, 2008 18:17 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

They seem completely the same to me.

I suggest that the first version would be more common in the US.
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #3 (permalink) Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:25 am   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

Uhm... I wonder about the usage of the 2nd one in BrE, too, Barb. I can't be sure if it's correct but somehow I feel it's not very natural to native speakers' ears. Very Happy
Anyway, I really want to know ideas of a British Smile
By the way, have you ever heard: "to not do something"?

i.e:
1/
- She told me to not enter the house
- She told me not to enter the house
2/
- He professes to not be ready for that.
- He professes not to be ready for that.

(I remember coming across this usage in one of my listening material, but I can't remember the context, so I wite these sentences myself Very Happy)
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #4 (permalink) Thu Jun 26, 2008 14:10 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

There are a lot of people who will tell you never to split an infinitive -- that is, not to put the words "not" (or "never," etc.) bewteen "to" and the other part of the verb. I'm not one of them. I think it's okay to say things like to boldly go, and to sometimes split.

There are other people who will tell you that saying "I said not to open the door" has a different meaning than "I said to not open the door." You won't find 100% agreement on this.
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #5 (permalink) Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:04 am   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

Thanks a lot, Barb Smile

As for "I said not to open the door" vs "I said to not open the door.", I find these a bit strange. Do they mean this in direct speech: "I said: "Don't open the door""?
If so, then "I said to open the door" is also correct? (direct speech: "I said: "Open the door!"), but this usage is really strange. Can it be used in formal English? :O
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #6 (permalink) Fri Jun 27, 2008 12:25 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

Hi Nessie

In everyday speech, I'd say you're far more likely to hear people use the verb 'tell' rather than 'say' when reporting a sentence (command) such as "Don't open the door". In other words: "I told you/him/her/them not to open the door".
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #7 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 14:34 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

Yankee wrote:
Hi Nessie

In everyday speech, I'd say you're far more likely to hear people use the verb 'tell' rather than 'say' when reporting a sentence (command) such as "Don't open the door". In other words: "I told you/him/her/them not to open the door".
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Thanks a lot, Amy Smile
I also think "tell" is more right (I am taught so Smile) However I just want to know whether the use of "say" is acceptable in formal English.

Many thanks in advance.
Nessie. Smile
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #8 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 23:13 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #9 (permalink) Sat Jun 28, 2008 23:20 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

Does "I said not to open the door" conceive a certain amount of annoyed feeling?
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"don't seem to" vs "seem not to" #10 (permalink) Mon Jun 30, 2008 15:55 pm   "don't seem to" vs "seem not to"
 

I think it does Smile

By the way, "I said not to open the door" is right, but I still find "I said to open the door" a bit strange... Is it correct, too?
(We've been talking about the negative form only - I know I'm fussy but please give me a confirmation)

Thank you very much.
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