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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #1 (permalink) Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:15 am   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

(ʒ didn't work for the subject so had to make the subject like that.)

beige [dʒ];
cage [ʒ];

I never get what's the difference between them, or how to pronounce them right.
Could anybody tell me how to?
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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #2 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:34 pm   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

Hi penny lane,

I think you must have confused the transcription - there should be no /d/ in 'beige' [beɪʒ] but in cage [ceɪdʒ]. The difference in pronunciation is actually quite simple; you pronounce the /d/ in 'cage' wheres you don't in 'beige'.

Here's a good introduction to the IPA.
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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #3 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:50 pm   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

hi penny lane

To help you along with this subtle pronunciation: cage is like mage, rage, page, and other such words that have the same dʒ sound in them.

The /d/ is there, but softer than in badge which has the same dʒ phoneme as cage.

Badge like fudge and ledge are a little harder.

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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #4 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:59 pm   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

stew.t. wrote:
The /d/ is there, but softer than in badge which has the same dʒ phoneme as cage.

I would argue that this 'softer' impression stems from the diphthong in [ceɪdʒ]. The short vowel ahead of 'dʒ' in [bӕdʒ] probably serves to make it sound harder. But I'm sure it isn't Wink
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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #5 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:13 pm   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

Hi Ralf

Always right my lovely, just trying to clarify darlin. Better to be of help than to hinder, innit?
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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #6 (permalink) Tue Aug 12, 2008 13:15 pm   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

Thanks Stew, I've added your chocolate to my shopping list Very Happy
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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #7 (permalink) Wed Aug 13, 2008 22:44 pm   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

Picking up on an exchange of ideas shared over a bev - what words can you think of that rhyme with 'cadge' (in your neck of the grove)?

Can I cadge some money for a badge?
- No, it's been stolen by a madge.
Yeah right, you're such a vadge!

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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #8 (permalink) Wed Aug 13, 2008 23:38 pm   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

It seems to me that the final consonant in "cage" has a more forceful aspiration than in "badge"; which may make it sound "softer".

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Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage #9 (permalink) Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:53 am   Pronunciation of G in beige, and cage
 

Hi Ralf

As long as the chocolate is Lindt and has an arty cover just for folks like me, and no changing the label. ; )

As for ryhmning, could try some experimental rhyming;

"flage.....llation"

Not sure if I would separate it onto two lines, what you reckon?

For other thread peruses, the meaning of cadge is;

Quote:
cadge
ask for or obtain (something to which one is not strictly entitled) : he eats whenever he can cadge a meal. | [ intrans. ] they cadge, but timidly.
noun Falconry
a padded wooden frame on which hooded hawks are carried to the field. [ORIGIN: apparently an alteration of cage , perhaps confused with the dialect verb cadge [carry around.] ]
PHRASES
on the cadge Brit., informal looking for an opportunity to obtain something without paying for it.

And it all started with a little bird asking about a cage, where did s/he fly to?
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