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Alan Co-founder

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#3 (permalink) Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:08 pm Why whose is wrong? |
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Hello Alan and company,
Why is "whose" wrong here?
Thank you very much !! |
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Jon You can meet me at english-test.net
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#5 (permalink) Wed Oct 08, 2008 0:15 am Who does that car belong to? |
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Hi Alan, When do we use 'who'? and when do we use 'whom'?
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Rishi070 I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#6 (permalink) Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:12 am Who does that car belong to? |
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| Your explanation is very nice. Thanks. |
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Chami New Member

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#7 (permalink) Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:08 am This is incorrect! |
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This exercise in incorrect -- that's why you are confused. It should be:
"Whom does this car belong to?" (or better yet, "To whom does this car belong?")
It belongs to him.
It's basically the same as the third sentence.
A good rule is the "mmmm" rule: If you can answer the sentence with "him(mmm)" the question word should be "whom(mmm)".
Whom are you talking to? I'm talking to him.
Who is talking? He is talking. |
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Ca2128 New Member
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#8 (permalink) Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:10 pm Who(m) does that car belong to? |
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Hi,
Well yes and all right. 'Whom' is the object of a preposition - in this case 'to'. But to use the object form at the beginning of a sentence as in the test is taking it too far. The test is meant to reflect current spoken English and to say; To whom does this car belong?/Whom does this car belong to? sounds pedantic in the extreme.
Alan _________________ English as a Foreign Language You can read my EFL story Phrasal Verbs/bring |
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Alan Co-founder

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#9 (permalink) Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:17 pm Who(m) does that car belong to? |
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Hi,
This pedantic stance reminds me of someone who insists on saying in answer to: Who's there? It is I - the rest of us say: It's me.
As they say the other side of the Atlantic: Have a nice day!
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Alan Co-founder

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#10 (permalink) Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:58 pm ok |
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| Ok, it was a little pedantic, and I agree that "To whom does this car belong" is going too far for ESL learners, but I find that a lot of non-native ESL teachers don't even know about "whom", let alone when to use it. I'm fine with teaching kids "spoken English" as long as it's correct English. You also wouldn't mark "She's gotta get outta here" as correct, even though it's spoken English. |
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Kitosdad I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#12 (permalink) Mon Apr 27, 2009 16:04 pm Americans for Whom! |
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Hey! I am an American and I was the one advocating for "whom"! Though there are definitely Americans who either don't learn it in school or learn it and forget it, any kind of legitimate publications will look out for it. So it's definitely necessary.
And in the past few years books about grammar like "Eats, Shoots & Leaves" have become so popular, and Obama is using much better language than Bush did -- I think grammar is having a comeback! |
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Kitosdad I'm a Communicator ;-)

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| what does "for two pins" mean? | Using At or In before the name of place |