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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#3 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 1:54 am Jaywalker |
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| Yankee wrote: | | You're right, "jaywalker" is an funny word. I've heard that this term has its origin in Kansas, but I suspect many New Yorkers would try to claim it as their own. It's illegal to jaywalk in New York City, but this law is hardly ever enforced. |
To me jaywalking means crossing the street in the middle of the block or diagonally across an intersection. That's how most people in area interpret it, so I was surprised that the dictionaries just say it means to cross carelessly and illegally.
| Yankee wrote: | | I'm a bit mystified as to why "gumshoe" would be considered a synonym for "pedestrian". For me a "gumshoe" is first and foremost a detective (or possibly also a kind of shoe). |
I agree that a gumshoe is a detective. So do the Merriam-Webster dictionary and the Oxford American. "Detective" is the only definition they give of that word. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#4 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 2:01 am Meaning of word "Jaywalker" |
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I accidentally posted that last one without finishing.
Sometimes you can find foreign dictionaries of American slang that contain nearly no modern words and list almost nothing but expressions that have to have died before the 20th century even started. This is especially true of such dictionaries that were created in Eastern Europe when it was still sealed off by communist governments. They must have been compiled from old novels.
One of my friends was teaching English to professors and graduate students at the University of Leningrad, when it still had that name, and he found the students speaking in a comical way that used too many Latinisms. He tried to teach them to use ordinary phrasal verbs, but they resisted. When he asked them why they weren't cooperating, a student said, in perfect RP, "Why, these verbs are so informal! You could use them perhaps with a strumpet or a brigand!" He usually resists laughing at that stuff, but that time he couldn't. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#5 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 7:32 am Jaywalker |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | To me jaywalking means crossing the street in the middle of the block or diagonally across an intersection. |
Hi Jamie That's exactly the same way I understand "jaywalking".
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#6 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 7:46 am Meaning of word "Jaywalker" |
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. Natives of Kansas are nicknamed Jayhawkers, not jaywalkers.
A look through ONE LOOK will give you added information.
Also, you ought to be able to figure out the derivation of gumshoe as a detective from this definition (courtesy of American Heritage Dictionary):
NOUN: 1. A sneaker or rubber overshoe. 2. Slang- An investigator, especially a detective. INTRANSITIVE VERB: Slang 1. To work as a detective. 2. To move about stealthily; sneak.
How it got to be just any old pedestrian is just a simple 'step' from there, I think. . _________________ Canadian-American native speaker who teaches English for a living at Mister Micawber's ESL cafe: Interview with Mr. Micawber |
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#7 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 11:08 am Jaywalker |
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| Yankee wrote: | I'm a bit mystified as to why "gumshoe" would be considered a synonym for "pedestrian". For me a "gumshoe" is first and foremost a detective (or possibly also a kind of shoe). The detective could do his "detecting" primarily on foot, but still, I would never dream of saying that "gumshoe" is a synonym for "pedestrian". Where did you find this? |
I thought I had already replied to your question, but my post has vanished – I must have clicked the wrong ‘button’ again!
I had looked the word up on Thesaurus.com to search for (funny!) synonyms. The data source is listed as Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.2.1), edited by Barbara Ann Kipfer, PhD, Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC.
One funny theory I read somewhere (among other more plausible ones!) suggests that "the term 'gumshoe' originated because private investigators did so much walking in bad neighborhoods to interview people and gather information that they inevitably ended up with gum on their shoes." Chewing gum on the pavement is certainly one of many perils that pedestrians have to endure!
This reminds me of a certain tunnel in or around Mexico City, whose walls are covered in pellets of chewing gum of all sizes and colours. It's apparently the custom, as you drive through the tunnel, to throw (chewed) gum balls at its walls! |
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#8 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 12:00 pm Jaywalker |
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| Conchita wrote: | I had looked the word up on Thesaurus.com to search for (funny!) synonyms. The data source is listed as Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.2.1), edited by Barbara Ann Kipfer, PhD, Copyright © 2006 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC.
One funny theory I read somewhere (among other more plausible ones!) suggests that "the term 'gumshoe' originated because private investigators did so much walking in bad neighborhoods to interview people and gather information that they inevitably ended up with gum on their shoes." Chewing gum on the pavement is certainly one of many perils that pedestrians have to endure!
This reminds me of a certain tunnel in or around Mexico City, whose walls are covered in pellets of chewing gum of all sizes and colours. It's apparently the custom, as you drive through the tunnel, to throw (chewed) gum balls at its walls! |
Hi Conchita
By "funny", did you mean "funny ha-ha" or "funny strange"? (Hmmm... there's that "bad bad" format again... ) The theory about gum on their shoes as an explanation for why a private detective is called a "gumshoe" is interesting. I'd never thought of that possibility before. But, it sounds good, doesn't it?
I've always thought "gumshoe" meaning "private detective" arose from the fact that a detective has to do his investigating in a stealthy manner, and, of course, wearing shoes with rubber soles enables you to walk around much more quietly. But, I still think that saying that "gumshoe" is a synonym for "pedestrian" is going much too far. For me it's like saying that "mailman" or "postman" or "door-to-door salesman" is synonymous with "pedestrian".
So, I think you're absolutely right! That is a "funny" synonym.
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#9 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 12:41 pm Gumshoes |
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| Yankee wrote: | | I've always thought "gumshoe" meaning "private detective" arose from the fact that a detective has to do his investigating in a stealthy manner, and, of course, wearing shoes with rubber soles enables you to walk around much more quietly. |
I once had a pair of (rubber) tyre soled shoes -- trendy and sensible, which isn't such a rare combination any more. In those days I was working at an embassy and, whenever I wore the inconspicuously silent shoes, a colleague of mine would say: "You've got your KGB shoes on"! (I've just realised that the use of 'inconspicuously' might be wrong here, after all!) |
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#10 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 13:24 pm Meaning of word "Jaywalker" |
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Hi Conchita
"KBG shoes"? Hmmm... clandestinely sneaking around the embassy, were you?
Speaking of 'silent shoes', now that I think about it, even "sneakers" aren't always necessarily "silent". What has just come to mind is the very loud "squeaking" sound that basketball players' shoes often make when they're playing.
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#11 (permalink) Thu May 11, 2006 13:39 pm Meaning of word "Jaywalker" |
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| Yankee wrote: | | Speaking of 'silent shoes', now that I think about it, even "sneakers" aren't always necessarily "silent". What has just come to mind is the very loud "squeaking" sound that basketball players' shoes often make when they're playing. |
I have some sneakers that make a loud slurping sound when I walk in from the rain.
Amy, you used, "Do you mean funny ha-ha, or funny strange?" That's a good idiom, very common. I was going to post that one, but you beat me to it. Another way of asking the same thing is, "Do you mean funny funny or just funny?"
There's another common idiom I teach, but I can't post it on this site very well. It's the "duuum-da-dum-dum!" from the old Dragnet shows. Even kids who are too young to know Dragnet say this. It means, "Uh-oh! That guy's in serious trouble, and he doesn't even know it yet." |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#12 (permalink) Fri May 12, 2006 11:28 am Meaning of word "Jaywalker" |
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| Hi! Going back to the term "jaywalker", to me the term means a person crossing outside the pedestrian lane or area. I agree with Miss Amy on why "pedestrian" is an antonym of "driver". A "pedestrian" is person who is walking while a "driver" is a person who is driving. It came from the thought that you are either walking or driving. |
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#13 (permalink) Fri May 12, 2006 12:16 pm Jaywalkers and 'jaydrivers' |
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| chocolatee wrote: | | It came from the thought that you are either walking or driving. |
Yes, and you are either the goodie or the baddie, depending on whether you happen to be driving or walking!
Talking of which, for drivers (especially male ones, as the feminist stereotype has it) any other driver is the baddie, too -- and woe if they commit the crime of being a woman!!
I wonder what the equivalent of 'jaywalker' is for drivers. Suicidal driver, perhaps? |
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#15 (permalink) Fri May 12, 2006 14:40 pm Jaywalker |
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| Yankee wrote: | | You're right, "jaywalker" is an funny word. I've heard that this term has its origin in Kansas, but I suspect many New Yorkers would try to claim it as their own. It's illegal to jaywalk in New York City, but this law is hardly ever enforced. |
Going back to the word "jaywalker", apparently it was Kansas City that I'd heard (and not Kansas) as a possible origin. The explanations as to the origin of this word seem to be a bit varied. Here's an interesting Link: http://www.barrypopik.com/article/482/jaywalker
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